October Education POC Minutes - DRAFT
Telephone Conference Call Number 1-888-808-6959,
Access Code: 1967168
In Person Attendance: Room 210L,
POC Members Present: Dick Browdy (Chair), Jon Hamrick, Ken Gregory,
POC Member(s) Absent: Tony Grippa, Herminio Gonzalez
Meeting
Attendees Identified:
Jack Glenn
Med Kopczynski Gary
Palport
Alex Kobryn
Sharon Mignardi
Brian Caldwell
Jane Waddel
Michael Clark
Meeting was
called to order at
1. Review and approval of the October
2009 Agenda
Motion: To approve as submitted
Motion: Ken
Gregory
Second: Jon Hamrick
Approved
Unanimously
2. Review and approval of August
2009 Minutes
Motion: To approve as submitted
Motion: Ken
Gregory
Second: Jon Hamrick
Approved
Unanimously
3. Review and discuss both the scope
and specifics of the advanced course review process by POC members.
The Chair asked Med
Kopczynski to explain the essence of this issue.
Med stated that online
courses are created using many different software programs. Some of the courses
are basically scripted, which are fairly straightforward to accredit. However,
other courses are much more sophisticated, using animation, music, movement,
etc. As a result of this sophistication, Med wants to know to what level of
detail the course materials should be presented to POC members for their
review. For example, if a lecture is embedded in an online course, should a
script of that lecture be provided for review, versus a narrative of that
lecture, which is what many times they are given to review for code content
accuracy.
Chair Browdy suggested
that the conversation seemed to be focusing on the actual course delivery
method, versus the accuracy of the code content.
Commisioner Hamrick stated that the online course in question was
easy for him to review. He also stated that he thought that the materials he
reviewed as a POC member was a final product or a finished course.
Cam Fentriss stated that
CILB board members could attend a course if they wanted to, in order to
evaluate said course. She further stated that no difference should exist
between attending a course and viewing the same course online, in order for
accreditors and/or POC members to check for code accuracy.
Jane Waddel stated that
current language in the rule requires that providers meet the minimum criteria
of presenting to accreditors:
·
The course title
and number
·
Hours of credit
·
Name, address,
telephone number and email address of the provider
·
Course
description completely describing what the particular course is designed to
address
·
Course learning
objectives
·
Course time
allotments for course content
·
Course outline
and instructional methods
·
Etc.
She further stated that
this information should take care of this issue, and that nothing else should
be required.
Chair Browdy asked the
POC if they saw a need at this time to change the rule language to address this
issue, which he viewed as an exception. All of the POC members stated that they
saw no reason to change the current rule.
Med Kopczynski stated
that his intent was not to change the rule, but rather to gain clarity
regarding this issue.
Chair Browdy stated that
no further action was needed to be taken at this time.
4. Review pending accredited courses
for recommendation to the Commission
Course:
Advanced
Building Code (Online) 2007 with the 2009 Supplements
Provider:
Adcox
Group, Inc.
Accreditor:
BCIC
LLC
BCIS
Course Number: 372.0
Motion: Course
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content. Commissioner Hamrick did suggest that the contents be proofread more
carefully because of obvious grammatical and punctuation errors.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course:
Advanced
Provider:
Construction
Estimating Institute
Accreditor:
BCIC
LLC
BCIS
Course Number: 373.0
Motion: Course
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course:
Mitigation
Guidelines for Single Family Residential Structures
Provider:
BOAF
– FHBA Joint Provider
Accreditor:
JDB
Code Services, Inc.
BCIS
Course Number: 375.0
Motion: Course
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
5. Review administratively approved
updated advanced courses for recommendation to Commission
The Chair asked for a Consent Motion
for the administratively approved courses listed below.
Course:
Provider: Department of Community Affairs - TRP
Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS Course Number: 258.1
Course: 2007 Advanced Code: Building/Structural Summary
Provider: Contractor’s Institute
Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.
BCIS Course Number: 323.1
Course: 2007 Advanced Code: Building/Structural Summary (Internet)
Provider: Contractor’s Institute
Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.
BCIS Course Number: 324.1
Consent Motion: Courses
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Med Kopczynski stated that some of the
courses he accredits are not developed well, but unfortunately meet the
“letter” of the rule. Commissioner Gregory agreed saying that he has attended
courses which he considered of poor quality. He further stated that he hoped
that all providers would develop and deliver credible courses, which
represented the construction industry in a professional manner. Chair Browdy
stated that hopefully the market will take care of this and licensees will not
attend poorly developed and delivered courses.
6. Review pending accreditor
applications for recommendation to the Commission (none pending)
None
Pending
7. Education Administrator activity report
FBC Education Administrator Report
A.
Provided administrative support for FBC Education POC August 4, 2009 meeting
B.
Drafted minutes for FBC Education POC
C.
Prepared agenda for FBC Education POC meeting on
D.
Inquiries from the public from August 3
to
32
inquiries: 10 telephone and email; 6 telephone only; 16 email only
Category
of inquirers:
5 Architect 4 Landscape Architect 5
Contractors
12 Providers 3 Building Inspector 2
Engineer
1 Consumer/general public
Types of Inquiries:
8 Core 10 Provider question(s)
8 Advanced Course 1 New provider
number matching with BCIS
3 General CE requirements 1 Obtaining
permit
1 Building code
administrator/inspector exam
E. Rule 9B-70.002, Florida Administrative Code, as amended,
has been approved and forwarded to the Department of State for filing. It
should appear on the system (at www.flrules.org) within the next week.
F. As of
G. Legislation for 2010 session: starting with the last
version of “building codes bill” from last year which is HB 7143 second
engrossed (contact
H. An issue has been raised that needs Education POC
consideration about advanced codes courses that experience only technical,
correcting, or small and minor changes when the code changes. In some cases,
the changes are to correct errors made in the adoption of the code itself.
Under the current system and rule, any change (even the correcting change of a
citation) requires the course be accredited again (costing both time and money).
This is a request that the Education POC consider making some allowance
(through specified criteria that would require an amendment to rule 9B-70.002)
for such changes and allow, for instance, self-affirmation with specific
information to update courses without need for additional accreditation and
interruption of course delivery. (Please note: For these types of changes,
CILB, ECLB, and BCAIB allow for notification without need for resubmitting and
additional approval.)
8. Identify
future POC member discussion items
No future items were identified.
9. General
public comment
No public comment was offered.
10. Summary
and review of meeting work products/action items, assignments, and next steps
The Chair
issued no other work assignments.
Adjourn (Adjourned at
Motion: To
adjourn
Motion: Jon
Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved Unanimously
The
Education POC considered and recommends the following:
The following new courses are
recommended for approval:
Course:
Advanced
Building Code (Online) 2007 with the 2009 Supplements
Provider:
Adcox
Group, Inc.
Accreditor:
BCIC
LLC
BCIS
Course Number: 372.0
Motion: Course
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course:
Advanced
Provider:
Construction
Estimating Institute
Accreditor:
BCIC
LLC
BCIS
Course Number: 373.0
Motion: Course
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course:
Mitigation
Guidelines for Single Family Residential Structures
Provider:
BOAF
– FHBA Joint Provider
Accreditor:
JDB
Code Services, Inc.
BCIS
Course Number: 375.0
Motion: Course
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
The
following courses are recommended for administrative approval:
Course:
Provider: Department of Community Affairs - TRP
Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS Course Number: 258.1
Course: 2007 Advanced Code: Building/Structural Summary
Provider: Contractor’s Institute
Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.
BCIS Course Number: 323.1
Course: 2007 Advanced Code: Building/Structural Summary (Internet)
Provider: Contractor’s Institute
Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.
BCIS Course Number: 324.1
Consent Motion: Courses
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Ken Gregory
Second: Jon Hamrick
Approved
Unanimously
Note: This
document is available in alternate formats upon request to the Department of
Community Affairs, Codes and Standards,