Florida Building Commission

Education POC Minutes

August 2007

 

POC Members Present: Dick Browdy (Chair), Jon Hamrick, Herminio Gonzalez, Steve Bassett

 POC Members Absent: Pete Tagliarini

 

Meeting Attendees:

Bill Norkunas                                                   Bob Boyer

Cam Fentriss                                                    Tam Landis

Dave Modtland                                                Joe Belcher

Larry Schneider                                                Sharon Mignardi

Bill Dumbaugh                                      Medard Kopczynski

Dwight Wilkes                                      Cheryl Harris

Don Fuchs                                                        Dean Jarvis

Michael Clark                                                   Frank ONeill

Ila Jones                                                           Jim Richmond

 

 

                                   

Meeting called to order at 8:30 am, August 21, 2007

 

 

     

1. Review and Approval of August 2007 Agenda

 

Motion: Jon Hamrick

2nd:  Steve Bassett

Approved Unanimously

 

 

2. Review and Approval of June 2007 Minutes

 

Motion: Jon Hamrick

2nd:  Steve Bassett

Approved Unanimously

 

 

3. Discuss and review the language developed from the Product Approval Process to be possibly used to revoke an accreditor’s status.

 

The Chair asked the Education Administrator to explain to the audience how the POC arrived at this agenda item. The Education Administrator stated that their was an initial recommendation at the June POC meeting to identify a process to be used to revoke an approved accreditors status, based on some action of non-compliance. There was discussion about the possibilities and the suggestion was made by Rick Dixon to look at the language of the Product Approval Process as a possible model. The POC moved that the Education Administrator, working with the FBC General Counsel, draft language regarding the revocation of an accreditor’s status. The Education Administrator did draft language with modifications made by the General Counsel.

 

The language of the rule was discussed. Med Kopczynski (and others) asked if the language should cover the actual steps of an investigation. Jim Richmond stated that the investigatory language can be injected later on, that the next step would be to plan for a Rule Development workshop at the December Commission Meeting. The language was approved by the POC.

 

Motion: To approve the language as written, to be called the “Accreditor Disciplinary Rule”

Motion: Steve Bassett

2nd:  Jon Hamrick

Approved Unanimously

 

 

4. Discuss the disclaimer that is to be attached to courses not meeting the 50% rule, specifically relating to an implementation date.

 

The Chair asked if anyone had any issues with the current disclaimer language. Some said that the current language was too specific. Cam Fentriss suggested that it could be re-written to say:

            “This course may require updating to be in compliance with the current version of              the Florida Building Code or to meet administrative rule requirements, such as                      the % of code content requirement.”

 

The Education Administrator asked the Chair if the POC could decide as to when an implementation date for the use of this disclaimer would begin. The Chair stated that the General Counsel should be asked about a start date. The POC approved the new language.

 

Motion: To approve the new disclaimer statement as written.

Motion: Steve Bassett

2nd:  Jon Hamrick

Approved Unanimously

 

 

5. Discuss the status of all current DCA courses, relating to their “for sale” or “to be given away free” capability. Are they viable, sellable courses after numerous code content modifications?

 

The Chair started the discussion by asking who determines who owns what course? Also, if a change is made to the course, who then owns it? There was much discussion. The training providers present thought that after they bought any DCA developed course, that they owned it, and could resell it if they wanted to.

 

The discussion also included aspects of agenda item #6, regarding the University of West Florida’s involvement in a contract where they are developing model technology to distribute courses through the use of Ipods and PDAs. The question regarding their involvement had to do with how they acquired the DCA courses they used under the contract, which was never answered. Ila Jones did state that DCA did not sell or give the courses to the University of West Florida.

 

The discussion turned to private provider property rights versus state ownership. The POC, after much discussion, decided that from now on the state (DCA) should give away, free of charge, all courses that they currently sell for $300 per course hour.

Motion: To give away, free of charge, all DCA developed courses that are currently being sold to private providers.

Motion: Steve Bassett

2nd:  Jon Hamrick

Approved Unanimously

 

 

6. Discuss and/or respond to a summary of a final report for the “Building Codes Education and Outreach Council Administrator” contract and Executive Summary of UWF-B.A.S.F. Grant to be given by the Contract Administrator.

 

The Chair asked Cam Fentriss to talk briefly about both reports. Almost all of the discussion centered around the University of West Florida’s part of the contract, specifically related to the courses they used for the contract, and who now owns their model using some particular technology for course development. The Chair suggested that everyone should read the final report that was provided by Cam Fentriss, the Contract Administrator. No motion by the POC was required as a result of the discussion.

 

 

 

7. Review Pending “Accreditor” Applications for Recommendation to the Commission

(None pending)          

 

 

 

8.  Education Administrator Activity Report

 

The Education Administrator reported to the POC what activities he performed between June 28, 2007 and August 17, 2007. The following areas were reported on:

  • Phone calls handled
  • Emails handled
  • Correspondence written and sent
  • Meetings attended

No comments were made or offered about the reports contents.

 

 

 

 

 

9. Identify future POC member discussion items.

 

The Chair suggested that everyone should read the final report submitted by BASF. He further stated that he felt that the results of this report were interim steps towards a larger effort regarding enhancing training and education in the construction industry, to be addressed through a new RFP which is currently being responded to.

 

Commissioner Gonzalez stated that he reviewed a 50 minute course with 250 slides, which he felt were too many. As a provider of training, Joe Belcher said that he only uses

some of his slides, according to what makes sense to what audience. The Chair stated that he felt the perspective of the POC should be on slide accuracy, not how many slides are used in a presentation.

 

Commissioner Norkunas asked if the POC members had sufficient knowledge themselves, to accurately evaluate an Accessibility course. The Chair stated that they do not, and so they rely heavily on the accreditor and accreditation process.

 

10. General Public Comment

 

No comments were forthcoming.

 

11. Summary and Review of Meeting Work Products/Action Items, Assignments, and Next Steps

 

The Chair had no further assignments.

Adjourn

Motion: To adjourn (at 10:07 am)

Motion: Jon Hamrick

2nd:  Steve Bassett

Approved Unanimously

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Recommended Commission Actions

 

The following courses, under the ‘Accredited, Pending FBC Approval” status, were approved by the POC.

 

Course: Advanced-Chapter 5 and 6 in the Fla. Building Code

Provider: BCIC LLC

Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh

BCIS #: 242

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

2nd: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

 

Course: Advanced-Fire Resistance and Fire protection in the Florida Building Code

Provider: BCIC LLC

Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh

BCIS #: 243

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

2nd: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

 

Course: Advanced-Means of Egress in the Fla. Building Code

Provider: BCIC LLC

Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh

BCIS #: 244

Motion: Course approved based on changes to Slide 17 (2nd statement) and Slide 19 (Change 7 and ¾ threshold) and based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

2nd: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

 

Course: Advanced-Occupancies & Type of Construction in the Florida Building Code

Provider: BCIC LLC

Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh

BCIS #: 241

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

2nd: Steve Bassett

Approved Unanimously

 

 

Course: Advanced-Overview of the Fla. Residential Code

Provider: BCIC LLC

Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh

BCIS #: 245

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

2nd: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

 

Course: Internal Pressure Wind Design

Provider: Fla. Department of Community Affairs

Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh

BCIS #: 246

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

2nd: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

 

Course: Private Pools and Spas Advanced Module FBC 2004, 05, 06 Supplements

Provider: BRB Code Educators, Inc.

Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh

BCIS #: 248

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

2nd: Steve Bassett

Approved Unanimously

 

 

 

 

 

Updated Course Approvals

The courses listed below have been updated with the 2006 Code Supplement. The chair listed all of the courses and asked for a Consent Agenda approval for all of the courses.

 

Motion: To approve as submitted

Motion: Steve Bassett

2nd:  Jon Hamrick

Approved Unanimously

 

 

Course and #                Provider                       Accreditor                    Date of Approval

 

Advanced Building        American Society         BCIC LLC                   7/02/07

Code: Residential          of Landscape                           

Swimming Pools           Architects Fla.

(#240)                          Chapter

 

 

 

 

 

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