Florida
Building Commission
Roofing
Technical
Advisory Committee
Meeting
Minutes
Meeting was held via teleconference/webinar
Public point of Access: 1940 N. Monroe Street, Suite 90, Tallahassee,
Florida 32399
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TAC Objectives |
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Committee Members Present:
Chairman; Tim Tolbert, Bob Boyer, Remington Brown, Jimmy Buckner, Billy Cone,
Chuck Goldsmith, Brian Swope, Mark Zehnal Committee Members Absent:
Lorraine Ross, Karen Warseck Guests Present:
Eric Smith, Jim Holmes, Dave Wise, Jaime Gascon, Michael Fox, Joe Byrne, Greg
Keeler, Alan Belcher, Rosalee Bianco, Chris Schulte, Staff Present:
Mo Madani, Marlita Peters, Robert Lorenzo, April Hammonds, Jim Richmond |
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Objective - Review and discuss concerns regarding
corrosion of ridge vent fasteners, to consider and make recommendations
regarding a request for declaratory statement, and other business for the
Commission. |
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Meeting
Minutes |
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Objective |
Review of objectives
will include the following: Description of issue, discussion by Commission,
public comment, Commission action |
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Welcome
and Opening, Roll Call Due to computer
issues the meeting opened at 9:04am.
Roll call was taken with a quorum present. Review
and Approval of Meeting Agenda Motion by Mr. Tim Tolbert
to approve Agenda. Seconded by Mr. Chuck
Goldsmith. Vote taken with a unanimous
approval. |
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Approval of Minutes of January 16,
2013 Motion by Mr.
Chuck Goldsmith to approve previous meeting minutes. Seconded by Mr. Brian Swope. Vote taken
with a unanimous approval. |
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Review and
discuss concerns regarding corrosion of ridge vent fasteners Palm Beach County
NOA Miami-Dade NOA County of Palm Beach-Ltr to Ch. Browdy Mr.
Mo Madani, Florida Building Commission, Codes and Standards Manager, opened
with an explanation of the materials for review and the issue for discussion. The issue of roof vent fastener corrosion was
initiated by a letter submitted to Commission Chairman, Dick Browdy, from the
County of Palm Beach. This issue was
brought to their attention by a local roofing contractor. This item is included for review. Other
items included for review by the TAC are two Notices of Acceptance (NOA’s) by
Miami-Dade offices and TAS 114 which is a standard referenced within the
NOA’s which references how fasteners should be tested and evaluated. Staff included an Issue Paper which
summarizes the concerns and outlines the four basic issues: severe corrosion
consistent with electrode galvanized fasteners related to metal ridge and
tile systems as used in the coastal environments, and concerns with overseas
manufacturers. The Issue Paper also outlines
the Florida Building Code
requirements as it relates to fasteners and roofing. Today’s
meeting is to listen to the TAC and outside interested parties to determine
if there are widespread concerns and determine where this issue will lead. Chairman,
Tolbert, took control of the meeting and explained that in his area of the
state, a high-salt environment, deterioration of galvanized fasteners seems
to occur within 5-6 years and the issue extends beyond the fasteners. Most [contractor’s] who are aware of this
issue in the Santa Rosa area use stainless steel fasteners. It
was stated that perhaps Product Approval should be looking at these items to
ensure that the products used adhere to the product approval system design
and use as tested. He suggests that
this should be passed on to the Product Approval TAC. A
lengthy discussion ensued and many participants provided information for
further review and discussion. Motion
by Billy Cone, seconded by Chuck Goldsmith to send this issue to the Product
Approval TAC for them to check the product, compliance product packaging and
what [product] is being used, which is governed by the local body who are
permitting and inspecting. Mr.
Cone provided two Product Approval Numbers issued to Owens Corning, which is
FL 10758-R2 and FL 12221-R2 which were provided in the NOAs submitted to this
agenda for review. Mr. Madani will
confirm this information. Mr. Cone
suggested that this may need to be reviewed by the Miami-Dade NOA approval
group or the Product Approval TAC or both. Vote
taken: 5 Yes to 3 No. Motion fails. Staff
to check the product approval numbers to confirm they are correct. Mr.
Buckner suggested, based on information provided by the staff, that an
additional meeting be held for discussion. Mr.
Madani suggested an on-site meeting to be conducted along with the August,
2013 Commission meeting and invite involved associations and contractors who
may provide additional important information to the subject. Motion
by Bob Boyer and seconded by Mark Zhenal to hold a meeting in August (22nd
- 23rd), 2013 in conjunction with the Florida Building Commission
meeting. Vote taken: unanimous
approval. Motion passes. Mr.
Billy Cone suggested that this could be a tactic to cause a code change which
could result in a more superior fastener being required for use. Chairman Tolbert confirmed that this is
still a Roofing TAC issue and would be up to the TAC to make recommendations
to the Commission and this would not result in an immediate code change. Further
discussion will take place at a meeting (date/time to be determined) in
conjunction with the next Florida Building Commission meeting in August,
2013. |
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Consider and make recommendations
regarding a request for declaratory statement DS2013-032
Allen Gezelman. WITHDRAWN |
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Other Commission business – No other business for discussion. |
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Public Comment |
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7) |
Member Comment |
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Schedule
next meeting. |
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Adjournment. Motion to adjourn by Mr. Goldsmith and
seconded by Mr. Zhenal. Meeting
adjourned: 9:54am |
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Staff
Contacts: Marlita
Peters, marlita.peters@myfloridalicense.com, (850) 717-1831; Mo
Madani, mo.madani@myfloridalicense.com, (850) 717-1825. Note: This document is available to any person requiring materials in
alternate format upon request. Contact
the Department of Business and Professional Regulation, Office of Codes and
Standards, 1940 N. Monroe Street, Suite 90, Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0772 or
call 850-487-1824 or call 850-487-1824.