Florida Building Commission

CODE ADMINISTRATION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE

with the

FIRE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE

MEETING MINUTES

August 1, 2013 * 10:30am. – Until Completion

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TAC Objectives

Code Administration TAC Members Present: Chairman; Herminio Gonzalez, Dick Browdy, Charlie Frank, Hamid Bahadori, Bob Boyer, Bill Dumbaugh

Code Administration TAC Members Absent: Tim Tolbert, John Scherer, John O’Connor

Code Administration TAC Alternates Present: Linda Patrick for John O’Connor

Fire TAC Members Present: Chairman; Hamid Bahadori, Tony Apfelbeck, Joe Belcher, Charlie Frank, Dale Greiner, Jeffery Gross, Joe Holland, Brad Schiffer, Jim Schock, Peter Schwab

Fire TAC Members Absent: Jon Hamrick

Staff Present: Mo Madani, Jim Richmond, Marlita Peters, Ken Cureton, April Hammonds, Robert Lorenzo

Objective - These items were considered jointly - Discuss and recommend potential research topics, Consideration of Declaratory Statements DS 2013-031and DS 2013-048, and other business for the Commission. This item to be considered separately by the Code Administration TAC - Review comments related to the 2013 Update to the Florida Building Code for the purpose of making recommendation(s) for consideration by the Commission during the Rule Development on Rule 61G20-1.001, F.A.C..

Meeting Agenda
Objective	Review of objectives will include the following: Description of issue, discussion by TAC, public comment, TAC action.
1)	Welcome and Opening Remarks. Meeting began at 10:30am with meeting directives by facilitator, Ken Cureton.
2)	Roll Call: Roll was called for the Fire TAC then Code Administration TAC. A quorum was present for both TACs.
3)	Review and Approval of Meeting Agenda: Fire TAC - Motion by Brad Schiffer, 2^nd by Dale Greiner to accept Agenda as presented. Vote: Unanimous to accept. Code Administration TAC - Motion by Bob Boyer, 2^nd by Linda Patrick to accept Agenda as presented. Vote: Unanimous to accept.
4)	Review and Approval of Meeting Minutes of May 31, 2013 Fire TAC – Motion Peter Schwab, 2^nd by Joe Belcher to accept previous meeting minutes of June 13, 2013. Vote: Unanimous to accept. Code Administration TAC: Motion by Bill Dumbaugh, 2^nd by Bob Boyer to accept previous meeting minutes of June 13, 2013. Vote: Unanimous to accept.
5)	Jointly - Discuss and recommend potential research topics: Tony Apfelbeck of the Fire TAC offered a suggestion to research current criteria for Draft Stopping Performance within Type V combustible concealed attic spaces. Fire TAC: Pete Schwab made a motion to accept this suggestion, seconded by Brad Schiffer. Vote unanimous to accept. There were no suggestions or recommendations from the Code Administration TAC.
6)	Jointly – Review and provide recommendation on request for Declaratory Statement DS2013-031 Broward County Board of Appeals Rusty Carroll of Broward County, on behalf of the petitioner, Mr. DiPietro, provided the basic review of the request for Declaratory Statement regarding the permitting of “chickee” huts when electrical, plumbing or other features are added to the chickee area. An email submitted by Christina Billie of the Seminole Tribe of Florida was read into the record by April Hammonds, attorney for the Florida Building Commission. Action of the Code Admin TAC – Unanimous May 31, 2013 Answer: To Question 1a: By adding these elements (sinks, electrical outlets, etc.) does that mean that the status of the exemption used to construct the Chickee without a building permit is null and void? The answer is YES, adding the elements (sinks, electrical outlets, etc.) to the “Chickee” in question would mean that the “Chickee” as a structure is no longer in compliance with the literal requirements of section 102.2(h) of the 2010 FBC, Building and therefore would be no longer exempted from compliance of the FBC. To Question 1b: If the answer to question “a” is yes, does that mean that the Chickee structure must get a building permit and comply with the current building codes? The answer is YES, the “chickee” in question would be required to demonstrate compliance with the current FBC as applicable. To Question 2: Does the fact of whether the utility services; electric; plumbing; propane or natural gas appliances are attached or not attached to any part of the structure/Chickee change the interpretation of Question 1? The answer is NO, the definition of the term “chickee” does not differentiate or provide for allowance to whether the utility services, (electric, plumbing, propane or natural gas appliances) are attached or not attached to any part of the structure/chickee. Fire: Joe Belcher made motion, seconded by Jim Schock, to accept the same position as the Code Administration TAC during their May 31, 2013 meeting regarding permitting of “chickee” huts on all three questions, which was introduced as part of the staff analysis. After discussion, vote was taken, 7Y to 2N. Motion passes. Code Admin: Bill Dumbaugh made motion, seconded by Dick Browdy that in light of further discussion with the Fire TAC and review of additional materials, affirms its prior recommendation. Vote taken: 6Y to 0N. Motion passes.
7)	Jointly - Review and provide recommendation on request for Declaratory Statement DS2013-048 by James Stolz Staff Analysis Mr. James Stolz presented his request for declaratory statement. April Hammonds, attorney for the Commission, read into the record, legal responses to the questions posed in the request for declaratory statement. Code Admin: Dick Browdy made a motion, seconded by Bob Boyer, to dismiss without prejudice. Vote was taken 6Y to 0N. Fire TAC: Joe Belcher made a motion, seconded by Tony Apfelbeck, to dismiss the request for declaratory statement, DS2013-048 due to issues being outside the scope of declaratory statement processes for both questions 1 and 2. Vote was taken, 9Y-0N.
	The Code Administration TAC went into a temporary recess in order for the Fire TAC to take up the next issue.
8)	Review comments related to the 2013 Update to the Florida Building Code for the purpose of making recommendations(s) for consideration by the Commission during the Rule Development on Rule 61G20-1.001, F.A.C. Mo Madani provided an overview of the glitch comments (Items F1-F5). Additional comments were received by Glen Campbell and Cam Fentriss, FAPHCC (Florida Association of Plumbing, Heating and Cooling Contractors), Buddy Dewar, Florida Fire Sprinkler Association. Based on remarks by the Fire TAC and outside interested parties, Mr. Madani suggested that he would consider withdrawal of F1, F2, F3, F4 and F5. Joe Belcher provided a motion to adjourn the Fire TAC, seconded by Jeff Gross.
9)	Roll Call of Code Admin TAC to confirm quorum. Herminio Gonzalez, Dick Browdy, Hamid Bahadori, Bob Boyer, Linda Patrick for John O’Connor. A quorum was present.
10)	Review comments related to the 2013 Update to the Florida Building Code for the purpose of making recommendations(s) for consideration by the Commission during the Rule Development on Rule 61G20-1.001, F.A.C. Mo Madani provided an overview of each Code Admin Comments received. AC1: Bob Boyer provided a motion that this language meets the glitch code criteria, seconded by Linda Patrick. Vote: Unanimous approval. Bob Boyer made a motion to accept technical correction as submitted, seconded by Linda Patrick. Vote: unanimous approval. AC2: Bob Boyer provided a motion, seconded by Linda Patrick that language meets the glitch criteria. Vote: unanimous approval. Bob Boyer provided a motion to accept the technical correction as submitted, seconded by Linda Patrick. Vote: unanimous approval. AC3: Dick Browdy provided a motion to accept staff recommendation of Option 2, seconded by Bob Boyer and meets glitch criteria. Vote: unanimous. Bob Boyer provided a motion to accept technical correction as submitted in Option 2, seconded by Linda Patrick. Vote: unanimous approval. AC4: Bob Boyer provided motion that language meets the glitch criteria, seconded by Herminio Gonzalez. Vote: unanimous approval. Bob Boyer provided a motion to accept technical correction as submitted, seconded by Herminio Gonzalez. Vote: unanimous approval. AC5: After discussion Dick Browdy provided motion that the language meets the glitch criteria, seconded by Hamid Bahadori. Vote: unanimous disapproval – not a glitch. AC6: Dick Browdy provided a motion that language meets the glitch criteria, seconded by Bob Boyer. Vote: unanimous disapproval – not a glitch. AC7: Bob Boyer provided a motion that language meets glitch criteria, seconded by Hamid Bahadori. Vote: unanimous disapproval – not a glitch. AC8: Bob Boyer provided a motion that language meets glitch criteria, seconded by Hamid Bahadori. Vote: unanimous approval. Hamid Bahadori provided a motion, seconded by Bob Boyer, to accept technical correction as submitted. Vote: unanimous approval.
11)	Other Commission business None.
12)	Public Comment None.
13)	Member Comment None.
14)	Schedule next meeting To be determined.
15)	Adjournment. Motion by Bob Boyer, seconded by Linda Patrick to adjourn. Vote: unanimous approval. Adjourned: 12:34PM.

Staff Contacts: Marlita Peters, Marlita.peters@myfloridalicense.com, (850) 922-6864; Mo Madani, mo.madani@myfloridalicense.com

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