Florida Building
Commission
Building (Fire) Technical Advisory Committee
with
Fire Code Advisory Council (FCAC)
Meeting Minutes
Meeting Location:  Via Teleconference
and Webinar
Codes and Standards Office
2555 Shumard Oak Boulevard
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-2100
| TAC/FCAC Members
  and Objectives | 
| TAC Members Present: Jonathon D. Hamrick TAC
  Members Via Teleconference: Peter Schwab,  Joe Belcher, Jeffery Gross, Hamid Bahadori, Brad
  Schiffer, Kevin Carrier (for Tony Apfelbeck), James Schock TAC
  Members not Present: Joe Holland, Dale Greiner FCAC Members Present: John Walker, Claudio Grande,
  Larry
  Schneider, Steve Bassett, Charles Raiken, Jack Glenn, Travis Oaks, Edward Riley, Jack Villagomez, Tom Deckert,  FCAC Members Via Teleconference:
  Jack
  Glenn, Jack Villagomez, Tom Deckert FCAC Members not Present: John
  Walker, Claudio Grande, Larry Schneider, Travis Oaks, James Urso Staff Present: Mo
  Madani, Jim Richmond, Ken Cureton, Leslie Anderson-Adams, Jim Hammers Facilitator: Jeff
  Blair | 
| Ø
  Objective
  1: Review and approve the May 29, 2012 Building (Fire) TAC Meeting Agenda Ø
  Objective
  2: Review and make recommendations to the Commission regarding potential
  conflicts between the proposed 2013 Florida Building Code and the Florida
  Fire Prevention Code and to consider other business for the Commission.   | 
| Meeting
  Minutes | |
| Objective | Discussion of
  objectives included the following:   | 
| 1) | 2:00 P.M. Welcome
  and Opening, Roll Call.  A quorum was present. Jeff Blair, facilitator, provided a
  brief overview of teleconferencing etiquette to alleviate some of the phone
  issues experienced in the past. Motion and second to approve May 29,
  2012 Building (Fire) TAC Meeting Agenda; unanimous approval vote. | 
| 2) | Review and make recommendations to the
  Commission regarding potential conflicts between the proposed 2013 Florida
  Building Code and the Florida Fire Prevention Code. Staff Overview Mo Madani
  briefed the Committee members on the scope of the BCIC L.L.C. work product,
  which was a correlation study review to provide a comprehensives comparison
  of the changes to the 2012 NFPA 101 and 2012 IBC for the purpose of
  determining potential conflicts and necessary changes to both the proposed
  2013 Florida Fire Prevention Code and 2013 Florida Building Code. Mr. Madani stated
  that an issue that is pertinent to this study is a clear definition of the
  term “conflict” as it applies to the Code. It was previously established by
  the Joint TAC that for the purpose of the study, that a conflict was defined
  as “a construction specification such as a dimension in one code that would
  prevent compliance with another code”. Code
  Comparison Summary Presentation Medard
  Kopczynski with BCIC L.L.C. conducted a brief PowerPoint presentation on the
  Code Comparison Changes 2012 IBC to 2012 NFPA 101, a copy of which is
  included in the Meeting Agenda. The presentation summarized the BCIC L.L.C. Code
  Comparison Study work product, which addressed F.S. 553.72 and 553.73 content
  as related to conflicts with adopted codes, proposed code amendment issues, and
  “Glitch Code” criteria.  Mr. Kopczynski
  also presented information on the definition of “conflict” as related to the
  Code Comparison Study, the purpose of the Study and scope of the Study
  project. The results of final Study Reports were formatted in five (5) matrices,
  covering: -         
  The
  changes to the 2012 IBC compared to the 2012 NFPA 101 -         
  The
  changes to the 2012 NFPA 101 compared to the 2012 IBC -         
  Life
  Safety Modifications of the FBC-Building compared to the changes to the 2012
  IBC compared to the 2012 NFPA 101 -         
  Life
  Safety Modifications of the FBC-Mechanical and Existing Building compared to
  the changes to the 2012 IBC compared to the 2012 NFPA 101, and -         
  Referenced
  Standards in the 2012 NFPA 101 compared to the 2012 FBC copies
  of which are included in the Meeting Agenda The conclusion of the Study determined
  that there no conflicts with the 2012 IBC and 2012 NFPA 101, but there are differences in the codes that
  emanate from the different cultures that produce the codes and how they are
  to be used. The current Florida Life Safety Code Modifications were made to
  change the codes to coordinate them, but these modifications do not meet the
  present definition of a conflict and as such should be eliminated. TAC / FCAC Discussion  -         
  James Schock questioned whether or not conflicts
  such as dimensional changes indicated within the code was carried forward,
  and if so, how would they be addressed. Mr.
  Kopczynski indicated that if they did, they did not constitute a “conflict”
  by definition, and the more stringent requirement should prevail. -         
  Brad Schiffer asked if there are plans to
  change the code to resolve any differences. Mr. Madani indicated that only issues meeting the
  definition of “conflicts” will be addressed, but in differences that are an
  exception to the conflict definition, the more stringent requirement should
  prevail. He also indicated that any correlation will need to be made by the
  code change process. -         
  Brad Schiffer asked what happens if one code
  specifically addresses an issue and another code does not. Mr. Madani indicated that either a code
  amendment must be proposed, or a clarification must be obtained from the
  authority having jurisdection. -         
  Jack Glenn asked whether or not the proposed
  code amendments that were previously submitted will be addressed. Mr. Madani indicated that all previous
  amendment proposals will be expired. -         
  James Schock suggested that a clear definition
  of what constitutes a “Conflict” be added to the Code. -         
  Joe Belcher asked what Code requirements are
  applicable to occupancies such as Assembly when different codes indicated
  different requirements.  Mr. Kopczynski indicated that the more
  stringent requirements should be assumed. -         
  Jack Glenn asked if Group “D” occupancy is
  being removed from the FBC. Mr.
  Madani indicated that Group “D” occupancy is covered under “Daycare” in the
  IBC base code. -         
  Jack Glenn asked if there was any intention on
  producing a document between the 2010 and 2013 Florida Specific amendments. Mr. Madani indicated that a supplement
  to the 2013 code will be produced. -         
  Mo
  Madani asked how the Referenced Standards will be addressed between the Code
  versions. Jack Glenn suggested that a comparison and update study be
  performed. -         
  Mo
  Madani posed the question to the TAC and FCAC whether or not we need to continue this effort of
  comparison in each code cycle until there is a demonstrated need or conflict. TAC / FCAC Action: As a
  recommendation to the FBC, the TAC provides for the following findings:  (1) Based on BCIC L.L.C comparison study, the TAC finds that there is no conflicts currently exist within the codes that meet the established definition of “conflict.” (2) Correlation of referenced standards is not necessary. (3) No need to perform similar study for future code update. The motion
  was carried unanimously by both the TAC and FCAC. | 
| 3) | Actions Needed by the Commission: Affirm TAC/FCAC’s Action: (a) Based on BCIC L.L.C comparison study, the TAC finds that there is no conflicts currently exist within the codes that meet the established definition of “conflict.” (b) Correlation of referenced standards is not necessary. (c) There is no need to perform similar study for future code update. | 
| 4) | Adjourn:  3:00 P.M. | 
Staff
Contacts: Kenneth H.
Cureton, Planning Analyst ken.cureton@dbpr.state.fl.us (850) 921-2282 or Mo Madani, Manager mo.madani@dbpr.state.fl.us
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